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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:52 am 
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Does anyone know of a place I can take my Jeep that deals with lift kits. When it is windy I need three hands to keep it on the road. I continue to hear so many different fixes. I want to know the right one. Any help would be great.

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Thats not really that uncommon when its really windy... Think about it, you're driving a big brick on wheels.
That said though, I don't know of any place that could look at it. You're in Ft. Wayne right? Maybe some of the guys on here that are more familiar with lifts and what not could give ya a hand.

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not bashing and not saying there isnt any thing wrong, but keep in mind you are driving a lifted box so if there is a decent cross wind it is just going to act like one big sail and push you all over the road. I would say if you dont experience it when there is no wind there is nothing wrong.


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Does anyone know of a place I can take my Jeep that deals with lift kits. When it is windy I need three hands to keep it on the road. I continue to hear so many different fixes. I want to know the right one. Any help would be great.


Let me clearify the issue. Not just when it's windy but if I hit any kind of uneven highway it's all over the road. I'm bieng told to put on adjustable lower control arms and a high steer kit. I don't want to spend any more money if it is not gonna fix the problem!!!!

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Your caster angle could be off.
Also, do you have a drop pitman arm and a drop track bar bracket? If not, you need to.
Your steering drag link and your track bar need to be as close to parrallel as possible, if they aren't, it will cause all sorts of steering issues.
Thanks for the better clarification. Also, be sure your ball joints and unit bearings are in good shape.

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 Post subject: Re: Major Steering Issue
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Highrlr wrote:
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Does anyone know of a place I can take my Jeep that deals with lift kits. When it is windy I need three hands to keep it on the road. I continue to hear so many different fixes. I want to know the right one. Any help would be great.


Let me clearify the issue. Not just when it's windy but if I hit any kind of uneven highway it's all over the road. I'm bieng told to put on adjustable lower control arms and a high steer kit. I don't want to spend any more money if it is not gonna fix the problem!!!!



how much lift did you put on it? and x2 on what kennedy said about drag link and trac bar. post a pic of trac bar and drag link and also a side shot of the lower control arms.


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I believe there was a "Help" thread on this same issue. A few recomendations for the Fort Wayne area that came up there were;
Stemens on Wells Street, 483-4030, apparently the do alignement work for ProTrucks.
Tire Brokers on Wells Street, 484-9588.
Gouty's
Fox & Fox, (maybe expensive though).

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 Post subject: Re: Major Steering Issue
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AMXtogo wrote:
I believe there was a "Help" thread on this same issue. A few recomendations for the Fort Wayne area that came up there were;
Stemens on Wells Street, 483-4030, apparently the do alignement work for ProTrucks.
Tire Brokers on Wells Street, 484-9588.
Gouty's
Fox & Fox, (maybe expensive though).



yes kelly there is a list of shops in the help. and yes i have been told that stemens kinda specialize in lifted and 4x4's.

he put i think a 4.5 maybe a 5" and has 37's on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Major Steering Issue
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chaz wrote:
Highrlr wrote:
Highrlr wrote:
Does anyone know of a place I can take my Jeep that deals with lift kits. When it is windy I need three hands to keep it on the road. I continue to hear so many different fixes. I want to know the right one. Any help would be great.


Let me clearify the issue. Not just when it's windy but if I hit any kind of uneven highway it's all over the road. I'm bieng told to put on adjustable lower control arms and a high steer kit. I don't want to spend any more money if it is not gonna fix the problem!!!!



how much lift did you put on it? and x2 on what kennedy said about drag link and trac bar. post a pic of trac bar and drag link and also a side shot of the lower control arms.


Ok here are some pictures Hope this helps. Tell me what i'm missing

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 Post subject: Re: Major Steering Issue
 Post Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:14 pm 
from what i understand you pretty much did what odz did to that first jk they lifted right? they didnt really do the best with that thing. made it look cool but thats about it. it wasnt a very good lift, and the control arms definitely werent long enough. Your castor is prolly all outta whack, which is gonna cause the front tires to constantly wanna come around and give ya all kinds of steering issue.

Even with that fixed though, its still gonna be all over the road. nature of the beast with wide tires and a box in a windstorm.


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Definitely get your castor checked out. That'll solve the "crappy shopping cart" issue and make it much more driveable. Another thing that'll help is some form of high steering and/or a dropped pitman arm. You have a pretty good drag link angle.. that'll cause bump steer.

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Definitely get your castor checked out. That'll solve the "crappy shopping cart" issue and make it much more driveable. Another thing that'll help is some form of high steering and/or a dropped pitman arm. You have a pretty good drag link angle.. that'll cause bump steer.


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you sure those pics were of a jeep? I didn't see any spots of fluid on the driveway...

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im not that good when is comes to wranglers but i know that xj's when lifted much the track bar bracket should be replaced the factory mount is cheap and flexes alot wich causes wandering around on the road and the dreaded death wobble

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xjtrey wrote:
im not that good when is comes to wranglers but i know that xj's when lifted much the track bar bracket should be replaced the factory mount is cheap and flexes alot wich causes wandering around on the road and the dreaded death wobble


From the pics, it looks like the track bar bracket has been extended and reinforced by welding in a substantial addition, doesn't look like it should move much.

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 Post subject: Re: Major Steering Issue
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xjtrey wrote:
im not that good when is comes to wranglers but i know that xj's when lifted much the track bar bracket should be replaced the factory mount is cheap and flexes alot wich causes wandering around on the road and the dreaded death wobble


From the pics, it looks like the track bar bracket has been extended and reinforced by welding in a substantial addition, doesn't look like it should move much.


you talkin about in the 4th an 5th pic down? Where it mounts to the frame? I believe that is stock


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AMXtogo wrote:
xjtrey wrote:
im not that good when is comes to wranglers but i know that xj's when lifted much the track bar bracket should be replaced the factory mount is cheap and flexes alot wich causes wandering around on the road and the dreaded death wobble


From the pics, it looks like the track bar bracket has been extended and reinforced by welding in a substantial addition, doesn't look like it should move much.


you talkin about in the 4th an 5th pic down? Where it mounts to the frame? I believe that is stock



I have heard alot of them break on the jk's...you may want to check the rear track bar and mount all the same.

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I beleive that a broken trackbar would give different driving/handling characteristics than what he is describing. I think I would lean more towards a caster angle issues. Which I know on the front of TJs could only be corrected with adjustable upper control arms, if the aftermarket lowers weren't preset right from the factory. q

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