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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:38 pm 
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k guys...took a complete set up out of a 65 cj to put into my 67 cj. i set it down in there and it appears to be like 4 in. longer then what was in it...i havent put a lot of time in it just yet. i had to borrow the hoist to set it in with so i dropped it in on the engine mounts and blocked the trans up just so i could get the lift back. but it did not even come close to linning up with the old bolt holes. the 65 looked just like the 67 in my pics. both duallys for gov. use of some sort. any ideas?

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You've got two dually jeeps? :-) geesh!

What doesn't line up? the tranny mount, or the motor mounts/location?

Shifters line up?

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i hear ya. wish i had the room to have them.

and i DID have 2 of them. i only have my grandfathers now. i used the other for a parts jeep. i have the moter mounts in and bolted. the tranny is what is off. shifters line up. was thinkin of just drillin new holes and callin it good

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You've got two dually jeeps? :-) geesh!

What doesn't line up? the tranny mount, or the motor mounts/location?

Shifters line up?

actually i still have the chassis at a friends house. the body is long gone.

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You should put some pictures of it up. If you want to. lol You should also let me come over and check it out. lol if you want too. I'm not telling you what to do, but I want to.

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Do you know if it is the same motor/tranny as was in the other jeep?
I'm surprised its not lining up.
IIRC there were no differences in the frames until '68 when AMC took over, and then it was just a stretch of a few inches between the front axle and the fire wall to make room for a bigger engine.
I would say go for it and just drill a couple new wholes for the crossmember in the frame, it won't hurt anything.

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alan you can come over anytime and look at it. heck any of ya can...well as much as you can anyway. its kinda half way covered with parts and....junk lol.

um im pretty sure its the same. i only remember seeing it a few times as a child. before my grandfather had passed, he had a guy swap engines. the guy put a V6 in it but never finished it. i found, what i think was the original 4 cyl. laying out in the field and brought it home but it was junk. then i found the other dually and bought it and was gonna build 2 of them but you guys know how building cars and money go. so took the engine and tranny alot out as a unit to set in the other one.
in the guys swap he cut the factory engine mounts out and welded in the V6 mounts. i cut those back out and was able to still see where the factory ones went and replaced those. that is really as about as far as i got.

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So doest the leftover (parts jeep) still have the dually axle and springs and front axle too? what do you want for it?

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yes it is all still there...um i hadn't really thought about it...you know...parts jeep.lol i bought it for $900. i do have a title for it. the i had to get because thr guy didnt have it. that cost me another $150. so i guess. what would it be worth to you. as crazy as it sounds, my grandfathers is priceless to me...the other one not so but it is still the only other one i have ever seen. thats kinda why i bought it for parts. that said, bong, ball is back at ya now. :?

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Are you sure the orginal engine in your grandpas Jeep wasn't a V6? Jeeps of that era did come with the Buick Dauntless V6.
Maybe thats why the 4cyl mounts won't line up right.

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yeah . i remember it had the 4 in it.
just about everytime we went down south my dad would have to work on it.

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yeah . i remember it had the 4 in it.
just about everytime we went down south my dad would have to work on it.


Your dad would take that on trips?

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no no. all my family lives down in KY. when we went there to see the family my grandfather would have some diff. cars n trucks for dad to work on. that was usually one of them.

when they got it runnin they would sometimes take it up in the mountains wheelin tho :tu2: . no serious crawlin but had it in some good muddin holes and pretty long steep hill climbin tho. it has like a 5:86 gear or somethin like that.

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I don't have any money...but it'd be a cool thing to buy and hold onto until i did have money....

so...i guess i don't have any money to offer you anything for it.... :-( bummer...if you want it removed from your property though i'd be glad to haul it for you ;-) j/k

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Here are some pics of the chassis....
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man that's pretty clean....how much?

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Chuck wrote:
man that's pretty clean....how much?


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well guys i know this may seem crazy but i gonna say prob $500. thats what is worth to me. it may not be to anyone else but it is to me. like i said i bought it for parts for my grandfathers. one thing i thought of while i was taken those pics. when i took the engine out of it there was no front drive shaft in it..? i dont know if it was sold or maybe a different diff was put in and not geared the same?

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What the box behind the right front wheel for?

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noone means any harm and that it's all in fun.. but then there's kennedy..

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thats what the battery sits on.

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hey i just wanted to let all you guys know ...i havent done a thing to mine.lol hahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: made ya look.! :acclaim:





no. sorry. its to damn cold to work in a hole with no heat! to be continued this spring.

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well..."this spring" has come and gone...didnt do a thing but with being laid off now, im gonna try and get this thing goin. who knows maybe be able to drive this heep to a meet some day.

keep ya posted.

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:? doubt it..... :flipoff2:



:flipoff2: :flipoff2: wheres the faith and love? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

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PapsOldDually wrote:
Sparky wrote:
:? doubt it..... :flipoff2:



:flipoff2: :flipoff2: wheres the faith and love? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


apparently now in this thread...

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well i finally got a chance to go out and look at the little yellow turd. well i'm guessin that for some reason when these old things were built they put 2 diff trans in them. i just ASSUMED that with them being close in yrs...67 and 65. both being dual wheeled work type jeeps they would have been the same. i was wrong the donor jeep trans is like 3" longer then the one in "paps" jeep. i will need a get a kit to rebuild or take it somewhere and have it done but at least i now know why it wouldnt bolt up. woohoo.

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hmmm...a 4bt swap would be sweet in that thing...

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oh i thought about it. but then thought it would be nice to keep it kinda close to stock.

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boy nuthin like pullin out the unit at 12AM and having it drop off the jack and scaring the shit out yourself. + having it roll onto its side and dumping oil all over the floor...and not having any floor dry. good thing i had lots of old rags

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hmmm...a 4bt swap would be sweet in that thing...


Either on CumminsForum.com or CompetitionDiesel.com someone had a 4bt/NV4500/some Tcase for sale as a packaged deal, not sure what the price was off hand.

Are both the trannies you have three speed, floor shifters? Thats odd they are that different. Does one have an overdrive built on, or maybe a PTO?

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This page should be able to give ya all the info you would need on them http://earlycj5.com/

Tranny info: http://earlycj5.com/tech/transferCase/index.php

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noone means any harm and that it's all in fun.. but then there's kennedy..

'46CJ2a/buggy project in the works, yeah, still have those parts.
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hmmm...a 4bt swap would be sweet in that thing...


Either on CumminsForum.com or CompetitionDiesel.com someone had a 4bt/NV4500/some Tcase for sale as a packaged deal, not sure what the price was off hand.

Are both the trannies you have three speed, floor shifters? Thats odd they are that different. Does one have an overdrive built on, or maybe a PTO?


yup they are both 3 spd. one does have the pto unit on the back but it just bolts ritght on the rear. there isnt any thing inside that would make a diff. i'll check out the thread. thanks for that :tu2:

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well i ordered the mount kit from quadratec today. we'll see if it comes or not. he said 2 to 3 days.

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woohoo! got my mounts today. now if it will just warm up just a little bit so i can go put them on.

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Location: fort wayne, indiana
:tu2: id really like to go see that thing one of these days it just seems cool

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Still just a kid that likes to play in the mud. My go cart is just a little bigger.
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1991 cherokee, 3" bds lift (hers)
1987 comanche 4bangin 4x4 (stock for now)
2007 powerwheels jeep unlimited


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