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I've been collecting parts for this project for awhile now, getting good deals on things here and there...so it's time for a writeup on how to swap out your old drum brakes for new disc brakes on that heavy duty 14 bolt rear axle (SRW).

This modification saves you almost 100 lbs!!


I'll start of by saying that this was all bolt on, and used no special tools.

You'll need the following:
-2 front calipers and rotors from a '78-'87 chevy front axle (Dana 44 or 10 Bolt)
-2 FRONT brake hoses from a '77 Monte Carlo
-1 set of disc brackets from http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/disk-brake-adapters-c-9.html?osCsid=0c58929c06a9ecdbad9d0ddb7ae23c43
-8 new 1/2x1 1/2 fine thread grade 8 bolts
-1 mini sledge hammer
-1 old lug nut
-1 large punch

Now, i started with a set of slightly used rotors, so they were still pressed onto the front hubs (with wheel studs holding them on)

This was the hammer and punch i used
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First remove the studs using an old lug nut to protect the wheel studs
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You end up with bare rotors
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Next remove the old rear hubs from the axle
I've already done this, and pounded out the old studs that held the drum brakes to the hubs. Be sure to use the same technique as on the front studs.

With two bare hubs, and two bare rotors, line the rotors up on the backside of the hubs, and press your new wheel studs in from the back, going through the rotor first, then into the hub. Do this using a large punch, and your mini sledge, pound the studs in until they stop.

Remove all old brake hardware and backing plate from the axle tubes, you can cut the rusty hard brake lines, because you'll need to replace those anyhow.

Now it's time to install your RuffStuffSpecialties brackets onto your axle tubes. Using the new 1/2" fine thread bolts, and a dab of locktite, simply bolt on the new brackets, so that the calipers will hang above and behind the axle.
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Re-install the hubs the same way you removed them, being sure to remember all spring clips and locking pins or nuts.

Simply intsall the brake calipers the same way you would on any front axle, being sure to use white lithium greese on your slider pins and on the brackets.

I'll edit this once i get some more pics and the flexible brake hoses all done.

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Looks like we need to take up a collection so chuck can buy some new gloves.

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Watchamaklit wrote:
Looks like we need to take up a collection so chuck can buy some new gloves.


those are his actual hands, not gloves

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Looks like we need to take up a collection so chuck can buy some new gloves.


those are his actual hands, not gloves


that's right....manly hands...they're just like leather...

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Looks like we need to take up a collection so chuck can buy some new gloves.


those are his actual hands, not gloves


that's right....manly hands...they're just like leather...


Yea sure...

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Watchamaklit wrote:
Chuck wrote:
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Looks like we need to take up a collection so chuck can buy some new gloves.


those are his actual hands, not gloves


that's right....manly hands...they're just like leather...


Yea sure...


My wife does call me "hammer hands" cause they're so callased and tough...not boasting, just saying...

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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?

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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?


Yup, they lined up perfectly on the axle, i did have to use a regular straight file on the edges of the calipers, just to remove the surface rust and pitting, so they'd slide in, and i did hit each bracket with the file because they've got some burs sticking up...

the monte carlo FRONT hoses are great because they're only like 10" long.

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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?


Yup, they lined up perfectly on the axle, i did have to use a regular straight file on the edges of the calipers, just to remove the surface rust and pitting, so they'd slide in, and i did hit each bracket with the file because they've got some burs sticking up...

the monte carlo FRONT hoses are great because they're only like 10" long.


can you get some pics of the set up when done?

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Chuck wrote:
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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?


Yup, they lined up perfectly on the axle, i did have to use a regular straight file on the edges of the calipers, just to remove the surface rust and pitting, so they'd slide in, and i did hit each bracket with the file because they've got some burs sticking up...

the monte carlo FRONT hoses are great because they're only like 10" long.


can you get some pics of the set up when done?


I plan on it...are all the pics showing up for you guys? i only get the first 4 or so....

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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?


Yup, they lined up perfectly on the axle, i did have to use a regular straight file on the edges of the calipers, just to remove the surface rust and pitting, so they'd slide in, and i did hit each bracket with the file because they've got some burs sticking up...

the monte carlo FRONT hoses are great because they're only like 10" long.


can you get some pics of the set up when done?


I plan on it...are all the pics showing up for you guys? i only get the first 4 or so....


they are showing up fine. did you powder coat them bad boy brackets, or just paint?

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hey Chuck did the brackets line up pretty good? i just ordered a set on monday. i think they were only 50.00 bucks. hell the last i did this on a different 14 bolt i used front backing plates but i had to 40 bucks for them. i would much rather pay 50 and just bolt them on. :tu2:

what does the monte carlo brake hoses look like?


Yup, they lined up perfectly on the axle, i did have to use a regular straight file on the edges of the calipers, just to remove the surface rust and pitting, so they'd slide in, and i did hit each bracket with the file because they've got some burs sticking up...

the monte carlo FRONT hoses are great because they're only like 10" long.


can you get some pics of the set up when done?


I plan on it...are all the pics showing up for you guys? i only get the first 4 or so....


they are showing up fine. did you powder coat them bad boy brackets, or just paint?


Just paint, i'm too cheap, and was to excited to get them on there...

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This is a good pic showing that the bleeder needs to be pointing up. Otherwise you will never get all the air out and have spongy brakes

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how much did those drums weigh?

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how much did those drums weigh?


37.4545 pounds

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This is a good pic showing that the bleeder needs to be pointing up. Otherwise you will never get all the air out and have spongy brakes


Yup....they're pointed as up as possible :-)

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37.4545 pounds


I can actually weigh them tonight...i've still got them...they actually came off as one unit...cause the brakes were rusted and siezed up...so i had to pull the shafts, then cut the upper pivot bolt out...i wonder how i got the backer plates off....i can't remember....but a torch was involved, and i caught my garage on fire...it was exciting...but i used an extiguisher and all was well...

Edit: When i cut the pivot bolt (at the top) the brakes released and the drums fell off...thas how...

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i swear those drums weight 70 damn pounds each!! you should have seen it when me and roger did the disk swap on that dana 70 t alk about big ass drums

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i swear those drums weight 70 damn pounds each!! you should have seen it when me and roger did the disk swap on that dana 70 t alk about big ass drums

I bet they're close to that...i forgot to weigh them...sorry, i'll get to it.

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Those are some heavy bastards. I think they weigh 50-60 pounds a piece.


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The drums, brakes, and backing plates weigh in at exactly 70lbs!!!! So that's 140 lbs total, and i'm guessing the disc stuff weighs in at about 20 lbs per wheel...almost 100 lbs weight savings!!

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The drums, brakes, and backing plates weigh in at exactly 70lbs!!!! So that's 140 lbs total, and i'm guessing the disc stuff weighs in at about 20 lbs per wheel...almost 100 lbs weight savings!!


Bought time you lost some weight. :flipoff2:

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The drums, brakes, and backing plates weigh in at exactly 70lbs!!!! So that's 140 lbs total, and i'm guessing the disc stuff weighs in at about 20 lbs per wheel...almost 100 lbs weight savings!!


Bought time you lost some weight. :flipoff2:


too bad i'm adding a bunch of tube!!

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Chuck have you shaved the bottom yet? how much you are going to take off?

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Chuck have you shaved the bottom yet? how much you are going to take off?

Yeah, i gave it to Shortbus to shave, he did it for $75 i think, and he made me a new cover too...i gave it the same clearance as a dana 44. :-D

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you will have to post up some pic's of it

You want pics of the shave?

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You want pics of the shave?


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You want pics of the shave?


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glad i found this..ill be doing it soon... i hope...

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I'm glad you found this too :-) It's been too long....

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yeah i was well on my way to doing it but the build took a big slow down. but at least i did find it. got some good info in there.

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I wish i would have taken more photos and more of a step by step, but its really straight forward once you get it all apart.

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