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I'm in the process of dealing with a bad motor in our 2002 Liberty. The total parts-only cost of this rebuild will be over $2,500. Since I've never really done one of these solo, I can't be sure that I won't mess something up and blow my engine within a couple thousand miles. With that kind of money, I would rather not take the chance.

Junkyard motors for this year are nearly impossible to find. The ones you can find have a bazillion miles on them, and they want around $2000 - for a JUNKYARD motor. I'm looking into maybe getting a 2006 motor for this from a junkyard, but it would require some adaptations, and still run me around $1200 + odds and ends.

I'm weighing the option of getting a new (crate) motor. Everybody seems to have bad things to say about every single crate engine maker around, so I'm looking for somebody who has GOOD things to possibly say about one. Thus far, here is what I have:
* Jasper (been told by many that they are junk)
* Blueprint (same)
* Gearhead (front-end vendor for ATK - lots of bad things people say) - formerly RECON, which apparently was used by a number of Chrysler dealerships in the southwest
* Unknown from autopartsfair.com (7 year, 70,000 mile warranty)

Ideas? Recommendations?

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"I saw his body and it was smelling real bad and I'm searching for some applesauce and I see him and I'm like, dang," -- Tyrezz Sawyer

"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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What all would you have to do to fit an 06 in? Why won't an 03 to 04 motor work. 05 is I believe when they changed a bunch of stuff. My 04 still has a cable run to the throttle body, 05 is when they changed that over to electric, you know stuff like that is what I'm saying. 02 to 04 motors I would think are pretty similar. As with the 06 your gonna have to do like you said a lot of adaptations... like the electric throttle body..and other small things..

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Check out powertrain products. I have heard good things. They also offer a lot of warranty options plus don't void warranty if you want to install it yourself.


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What all would you have to do to fit an 06 in? Why won't an 03 to 04 motor work. 05 is I believe when they changed a bunch of stuff. My 04 still has a cable run to the throttle body, 05 is when they changed that over to electric, you know stuff like that is what I'm saying. 02 to 04 motors I would think are pretty similar. As with the 06 your gonna have to do like you said a lot of adaptations... like the electric throttle body..and other small things..


I would reuse my old intake, exhaust manifolds, and likely my sensors. This would take care of what you've mentioned. 2002 is a unique year. They changed the cam gear (just the piece the sensor reads), the reluctor gear on the crankshaft (the piece that the crank sensor reads), as well as included a removeable piece on the back of the crankshaft for the different torque convertors.

I'm strongly leaning towards this way actually. The crappy things I keep reading about every single crate motor supplier are quickly steering me away from buying ANY crate motors. It seems the most cost-effective. If I pinch my pennies, I may be able to get a 2006 motor (after all of the odds and ends) in there for around $1,500.

I am still weighing my options. :?

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"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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 Post subject: Re: Crate engine recommendations for Liberty?
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SUBARU? wrote:
Check out powertrain products. I have heard good things. They also offer a lot of warranty options plus don't void warranty if you want to install it yourself.


THAT is something I never thought of - voiding my warranty on a DIY. I'll look into them. Thank you!

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"I saw his body and it was smelling real bad and I'm searching for some applesauce and I see him and I'm like, dang," -- Tyrezz Sawyer

"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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 Post subject: Re: Crate engine recommendations for Liberty?
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SUBARU? wrote:
Check out powertrain products. I have heard good things. They also offer a lot of warranty options plus don't void warranty if you want to install it yourself.


They really seem to know these engines:

powertrainproducts.net wrote:

Superior to all rebuilt Dodge 3.7 engines because:
•We install 100% new pressed in & pinned valve seats to stop seats from dropping and damaging engines.

•We have eliminated the oil sludge issue by utilizing a newly engineered piston which brings the combustion chamber temperature back under control. We have also drilled out drain back holes in the head and block to promote proper oiling.

•We have corrected timing chain guide and tensioner failure with new design parts.

•We install a M.L.S. (multi layer steel) head gasket which stops premature head gasket failure from the high heat conditions this engine endures.



Nobody else I've seen seems to specifically call this kind of stuff out. The price is in line with everything else (crate-wise) also. Their warranty is 4 years / 1,000,000 miles.

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"I saw his body and it was smelling real bad and I'm searching for some applesauce and I see him and I'm like, dang," -- Tyrezz Sawyer

"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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 Post subject: Re: Crate engine recommendations for Liberty?
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We replaced our 4.6L in the F150 with a Jasper and didn't have a problem with the engine. The rest of the truck got totalled, but that wasn't the engine's fault.

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 Post subject: Re: Crate engine recommendations for Liberty?
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Alpine wrote:
SUBARU? wrote:
Check out powertrain products. I have heard good things. They also offer a lot of warranty options plus don't void warranty if you want to install it yourself.


They really seem to know these engines:

powertrainproducts.net wrote:

Superior to all rebuilt Dodge 3.7 engines because:
•We install 100% new pressed in & pinned valve seats to stop seats from dropping and damaging engines.

•We have eliminated the oil sludge issue by utilizing a newly engineered piston which brings the combustion chamber temperature back under control. We have also drilled out drain back holes in the head and block to promote proper oiling.

•We have corrected timing chain guide and tensioner failure with new design parts.

•We install a M.L.S. (multi layer steel) head gasket which stops premature head gasket failure from the high heat conditions this engine endures.



Nobody else I've seen seems to specifically call this kind of stuff out. The price is in line with everything else (crate-wise) also. Their warranty is 4 years / 1,000,000 miles.



From what I've seen they correct all known factory issues on all of their motors. Not the cheapest option by far but a good one if your gonna keep it for a while.


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Alpine wrote:
SUBARU? wrote:
Check out powertrain products. I have heard good things. They also offer a lot of warranty options plus don't void warranty if you want to install it yourself.


They really seem to know these engines:

powertrainproducts.net wrote:

Superior to all rebuilt Dodge 3.7 engines because:
•We install 100% new pressed in & pinned valve seats to stop seats from dropping and damaging engines.

•We have eliminated the oil sludge issue by utilizing a newly engineered piston which brings the combustion chamber temperature back under control. We have also drilled out drain back holes in the head and block to promote proper oiling.

•We have corrected timing chain guide and tensioner failure with new design parts.

•We install a M.L.S. (multi layer steel) head gasket which stops premature head gasket failure from the high heat conditions this engine endures.



Nobody else I've seen seems to specifically call this kind of stuff out. The price is in line with everything else (crate-wise) also. Their warranty is 4 years / 1,000,000 miles.

That is a pretty good warranty.

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Ordered this.. my soul screamed after I hit "Submit". That was a lot of money. :/

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"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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Alpine wrote:
Ordered this.. my soul screamed after I hit "Submit". That was a lot of money. :/

Powertrain?

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Are you going to be able to send them the core within 30 days?

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kennedy wrote:
Are you going to be able to send them the core within 30 days?


Yes.

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"I saw his body and it was smelling real bad and I'm searching for some applesauce and I see him and I'm like, dang," -- Tyrezz Sawyer

"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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The old engine is sitting in my driveway, and should get picked up today. The new engine is on the stand, with almost everything reattached. I'm hoping to get it in the vehicle this weekend. :)

Amazon needs to hurry up with my oil pan.

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"I saw his body and it was smelling real bad and I'm searching for some applesauce and I see him and I'm like, dang," -- Tyrezz Sawyer

"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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Sweet! Glad it's working out so far.


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How much was the oil pan from amazon? Mine is REALLY rusty and I'm worried its just one day gonna start leaking..

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It was $90, but you will either need to remove your engine or remove the entire front axle assembly to get to it.

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"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw


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hmm really? last time I was under it, it didn't seem that hard. Guess I'll have to look into it more..That sucks if you do.

*edit* dang your right man! Defiantly isn't built like my TJ or YJ.. The TJ and YJ are both so simple to work on. However from what I read its a common problem to have the oil pan rust out.. :td:

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I bought a 4.0 oil pan from JCwhitney with free shipping for less than $100.

The one in my LJ is rusting out.

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If you don't lift the engine, or drop the front axle assembly, the pan won't clear the pickup crap in the case.

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"McDonald's was giving me the run-around, so you can understand where that's coming from," -- Moore

"I'm eating my McDonald's. I come outside. I see this girl going nuts trying to get out of a house." -- Charles Ramsey

“My reaction, I mean, I’m kinda scarred. I want to, you know, I want to be able to know more, you know, cause I having a son and I’m about to raise him right in this house so when you guys tell me a dead body, I’m like, you know, I’ve never seen no activity, you know, for nothing bad… I don’t know,” -- Ciera Richter.

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